w4hammer 8:47 Tue Sep 23
When a tree falls in the forest...
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..does anyone hear, does anyone care!?
Regardless of your political persuasion, have you seen that bunch of yesterdays men & women at the labour conference- I watched newsnight last night and the passing attendees looked like the day trip from one flew over the cuckoos nest.
The core plank of their policy seems to be " give us ten years to fix the economy,..." righto " ...and we''ll do that by reducing tax incentives here "....hmm..and err "..taxing everyone elsewhere and re-build this bloated public service which blew the budget last time out...
Dont get me wrong, I think all of the parties are a bunch of idiots, chancers and nose-in-the-trough-cunts. But seriously- why would anyone vote for these 'never-had-a-proper-job-in-their-lives" cunts!?
cheers
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mashed in maryland
12:44 Wed Sep 24
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Yes, slavery. People being forced to work (which often means prostitution) for no money.
It's an organised crime industry that's almost entirely controlled by imported criminal gangs, usually from eastern Europe.
Are you saying it's wrong for people in Britain to not want this to happen?
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Hammer and Pickle
12:31 Wed Sep 24
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Slavery?
Oh dear.
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connolly8
12:29 Wed Sep 24
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Labour vote is an ISIS vote
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mashed in maryland
12:24 Wed Sep 24
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What so unregulated or at best very lax border controls combined with a demand for cheap labour don't basically create the PERFECT environment for corruption, exploitation and slavery?
All crimes last time I checked.
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Hammer and Pickle
12:20 Wed Sep 24
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Mixing up human capital with crime is clearly your speciality mim. Do carry on.
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mashed in maryland
12:12 Wed Sep 24
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Human capital is great. That is, when it doesn't come with organised crime, slavery, child abuse, religious extremism, etc. etc. etc.
You've probably been drinking though so I don't really expect you to be able to comprehend any sort of normal human reasoning on your second favourite subject.
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,
12:12 Wed Sep 24
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Poland.................bedeviled by Ukrainian builders.
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wansteadman
12:12 Wed Sep 24
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It's all according to wether you think income tax is a way of raising money or a punishment for people who do well, it's proven that the top rate of tax that raises the most revenue is 35-38% any higher than that reduces the amount they raise. Labour raises it as a form of jealousy and the Tories leave it high so people can't say they are looking after their own
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Nurse Ratched
11:59 Tue Sep 23
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I hope it all washes up in Poland.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:58 Tue Sep 23
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Human capital - if you don't appreciate it, I also very much hope it leaves your pathetic little ungrateful excuse for a country as soon as possible.
Meanwhile I wish you all the best fighting each other for jobs we are helping to create for each other.
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Nurse Ratched
11:58 Tue Sep 23
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My home help thought so.
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Mr Polite
11:55 Tue Sep 23
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When An old lady falls over in her kitchen and there is nobody about to hear
.... Is it still funny?
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Nurse Ratched
11:53 Tue Sep 23
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Oh yeah, I believe you.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:52 Tue Sep 23
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Thing is I'm jealous of you lot because you attract it.
Oh the irony.
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mashed in maryland
11:49 Tue Sep 23
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Oooh another vaguely insulting post from H&P insinuating he's very well read and in-touch with the upper echelons of sociopolitics all while completely missing the point.
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Nurse Ratched
11:49 Tue Sep 23
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How much of this valued human capital is flooding into Poland?
Bet you must be gutted, eh? Enough school places, hospital beds and seats on public transport to go round... must be hell in Poland.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:46 Tue Sep 23
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They are people mim.
They want to come and are often appreciated for doing so.
There is a concept known as human capital very well applicable here - I'd read up on it if I was you.
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mashed in maryland
11:38 Tue Sep 23
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"Talk of a minimum wage would be entirely unnecessary if the labour market wasn't so grotesquely contorted by importing millions of low skilled workers that drive pay and conditions down. "
Lots of those are being paid below minimum wage anyway.
Many are being exploited like fuck by slave masters and organised criminals.
But we must let them in and allow them to operate, for some bizarre unknown reason to do with inclusion and all that bollocks.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:06 Tue Sep 23
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How do "low-skilled workers" get to take the decision to "drive pay and conditions down"?
Because I get the impression they are being used just as much as you might be.
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Hermit Road
10:57 Tue Sep 23
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Talk of a minimum wage would be entirely unnecessary if the labour market wasn't so grotesquely contorted by importing millions of low skilled workers that drive pay and conditions down.
The minimum wage is a small price for businesses to pay for this huge state subsidy if their wage bill.
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Infidel
10:52 Tue Sep 23
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marteaux
I think you mean tax cuts, not tax hikes.
First, what we are talking about here are not 'the rich'. There are hardly any rich people out of the 62 million citizens in this country so we can forget about them.
What we are talking about is higher earners - the top 5% of people earning between £60,000 and £200,000 per year. That does not make you rich, not by a long chalk.
Second many of these individuals are not even business people - they are public sector employees and members of the charitocracy.
Check the website of any local council and you will find 10 or 15 people earning more than £100k p.a. in the council's offices. People with the title 'Deputy Head of Diversity' and the like. In the charity sector it's just as bad. The head of Save The Children makes almost a quarter of a million a year (so don't give the time of day to their street collectors).
Should these higher earners pay more? Well there are two questions really - a. is it morally right that they should? and b. is it good for the economy?
With regard to a., the top 1% of higher earners already pays 30% of all income tax. The top 10% pays almost 60% of all income tax. That's pretty steep by any standard - and higher than it has ever been in our history. Maybe you still think they should pay more - but what's your target? Do you want the top 10% to pay 90% of all income tax? You need to give some thought to this point because if you think the tax system is currently immoral then you have to define what would make it morally acceptable.
As for b. , well there's no argument here at all. It's a disaster for the economy. It raises less revenue (because high earners leave), it discourages aspiration and it drives away investment, which means higher unemployment than would otherwise be the case. It sends a signal that Britain is anti-business. Good luck with that.
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